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Boeings old and new
by  Phil
Boeings old and new
The USAF C-17 and KC-135 Demonstration teams performing together.
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Ron

Old and New is Great to do! I'm Boeing old too! Put support whats New!

John

Not harassing, just checking to see if it is personal pix you took or had professionally done. Thanks for your answer. You must have some pretty spectacular equipment.

Phil

It's mine, we loaned it to the base PA. I am one of the KC-135 demo team guy. Why must you continue to harass us?

John

IS THIS A PRIVATE PHOTO LIKE THE RULES STATE? I'VE SEEN THIS PHOTO IN OFFICIAL USAF PUBLICATIONS.

GulfstreamGuy

This is an AMAZING shot!! Congrats!

Phil

We stood up the schoolhouse programs after the C17 mishap to centralize the training

John

Well after you scratch one KC-135 crew. one B-52 crew and then one C-17 crew all doing things by the book that the TAC/ATC generals wrote.... I wonder if the words..... "lets tighten er up boys, to much dead time between manuevers" is remembered.

Phil

I beg to disagree. Unlike days gone bye, we train to a very high standard! CRM is paramount. I will not add anyone to the team that even remotely seems to "cowboy" up on the jet. All of us are KC-135 and C-17 schoolhouse instructors with more than 2,000 hours each. We fly a standard profile and if something seems to be wrong we are not afraid to call "knock it off". I feel safer flying with my guys here than with any line unit I had been with.

John

After CINSAC killed several great KC-135 and B-52 Crewmembers in the late 80's trying to get his B-52 and KC-135 DEMO team ready.... THE SECAF briefed Congress that that BIG AIRPLANES will NEVER be used for low level flight demonstrations again. Those that don't learn from History are bound to REPEAT it.